Author Topic: Substance Painter to Arnold (C4D) Workflow? (Read 12018 times)

bentraje · **on:** June 14, 2017, 09:22:23 am

Hi Good Day!

May I ask for your help in having in Substance Painter/Arnold (C4D) workflow?

I understand that there is no 1:1 ratio of Substance Painter(SP) and Arnold (ARN) viewport due to different algorithms. But the problem is I could not even get a 1:0.8 ratio or any decent conversion. I watched several tutorials and applied what they have showed, but I still couldn't get it to look right. Some of these are the following. See appendix below for reference used.

To speed things up, you can see my overall problem in this image https://www.dropbox.com/s/zyf36mq22blyco9/c4d018_arnold_SP.jpg?dl=0. I have also copied the environment from the SP and used it to relight in Arnold C4D. You can see the project files here https://www.dropbox.com/sh/myb70dq1lwhdqok/AAAroDBdGWW-5MLpzlXVj4pGa?dl=0 .

There must be some button/setting I'm missing out. I'm just not sure what it is. Thank you in advance for your time/

Appendix (Reference used)
Q&A - Heavy Metal - Substance Painter to C4D Arnold Render
https://vimeo.com/172951602

Workflow Tutorial - Maxon C4D to Allegorithmic Substance Painter to Arnold Render
https://vimeo.com/17198176

Filler
https://forum.allegorithmic.com/index.php/topic,17549.0.html
Filler
https://forum.allegorithmic.com/index.php/topic,16090.0.html

bentraje · **Reply #2 on:** June 15, 2017, 04:28:15 pm

Quote from: Vincent Gault on June 14, 2017, 12:53:31 pm

Hey, I don't know if it will cover some of your points, but did you look at this in depth tutorial from Olivier Couston?
https://www.allegorithmic.com/blog/substance-painter-arnold-ultimate-guide-olivier-couston

Hi Vincent. Thank you for your reply. Yes, I have checked that post beforehand. (It was an inspiring post BTW).
The catch is that the featured artist uses AlSurface Shaders (a somewhat additional nodes for Arnold). I don't use such shaders. Moreover, I hope I don't sound condescending to mention this, AlSurface are deemed obsolete in the release of C4DtoA 2.0 or (Arnold 5 Core). Even the creator of Al Surface have no plans in updating the Al Surface for Arnold 5. (Currently, Al Surface does not work in Arnold 5)

bentraje · **Reply #4 on:** June 20, 2017, 01:51:51 pm

Thanks for the reply Vincent.

I had a go in MtoA and followed the documentation for Arnold 5 (https://support.allegorithmic.com/documentation/display/integrations/Arnold+5+for+Maya) and this is the result. I would say this is pretty close with the substance painter. Redid it with the C4DtoA. The result is not that far-off but I'll say MtoA is better with details. I reckon this has something to with the metalness parameter in C4D, but I'm not so sure. The reason is that I can still modify the IOR in C4D despite putting a Map into the metalness and modification also changes the final image. In MtoA, IOR is already locked when map is inserted.

I'm putting this issue to rest. I'm generally happy with what I came up with. Still, looking forward for other work arounds, if there are any

P.S. Make sure to follow the Allegorithmic's Arnold 5 version and not the older version. I kinda wasted my time with the older version trying to work out it.*

Result*

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7wu4xgkweii50i/c4d018_arnold_SPb.jpg?dl=0

bentraje · **Reply #6 on:** June 20, 2017, 02:54:32 pm

Quote from: Vincent Gault on June 20, 2017, 02:09:52 pm

Thanks for sharing (and please update your forum profile name )

I can't

That's the first thing I did but it seems to be set in stone.
When I registered, I thought I was putting the email, but I ended up putting in the username.

ariendb · **Reply #7 on:** March 15, 2019, 04:46:03 pm

Quote from: bentraje@gmail.com on June 20, 2017, 01:51:51 pm

Thanks for the reply Vincent.

I had a go in MtoA and followed the documentation for Arnold 5 (https://support.allegorithmic.com/documentation/display/integrations/Arnold+5+for+Maya) and this is the result. I would say this is pretty close with the substance painter. Redid it with the C4DtoA. The result is not that far-off but I'll say MtoA is better with details. I reckon this has something to with the metalness parameter in C4D, but I'm not so sure. The reason is that I can still modify the IOR in C4D despite putting a Map into the metalness and modification also changes the final image. In MtoA, IOR is already locked when map is inserted.

I'm putting this issue to rest. I'm generally happy with what I came up with. Still, looking forward for other work arounds, if there are any

P.S. Make sure to follow the Allegorithmic's Arnold 5 version and not the older version. I kinda wasted my time with the older version trying to work out it.*

Result*

https://www.dropbox.com/s/p7wu4xgkweii50i/c4d018_arnold_SPb.jpg?dl=0

Yes, I would love to know what to do with the IOR value in C4DtoA.
And it is also possible to modify the base weight and other parameters, which all make the material look very different.
Also a lot of confusion about the gamma settings, should the Substance material be left on auto/sRGB/linear? Looks like you had to set these in older versions, but maybe they are done automatically in the new versions, I'm not sure.

Substance to C4DtoA (latest versions) tutorial anyone?