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Maxon is part of Nemetschek Group (allplan, vectorworks etc) and it's very well established, so is The Foundry. Any acquisition by Adobe regarding C4D or Modo is very very unlikely. Even Newtek with Lightwave, with all the difficulties, is still in the business by themself.

I totally agree that Adobe has no business expanding the 3D sector in a broad sense, also the gap of complexity between any common 2D Adobe app and any the elite 3D app (Maya, Max, Houdini or Blender) is huge for the casual apple hipster or wannabe graphic designer Adobe is aiming.

I'll add the fact that they offers Premiere and AE, but they still don't have any serious compositing software, which explains why Adobe has no business to fit in any 3D production or VFX pipeline. The Foundry covers basically everything with Nuke, Modo, Mari, Katana, why they should sell Modo?

Gaming though is still very lucrative and somewhat easier to fit in, so I guess they want to squeeze something there.

The embarrassing showcase Adobe just published is proving that the Allegorithmic's guys were not even informed, and the candid response from Vincent about the fact now they can give feedback is just distressing.

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Guys, it's been already discussed before, here's again the recap:

- perpetual license will be gone IN NO TIME, since, as stated by Adobe in their blog, they are already working on incorporating Substance in CC. This is no speculation, it's already happening, we are talking about months. Steam will follow, there is absolutely no reason to think Adobe will behave different just because is Substance (see Mixamo/Fuse). Everything is tied to CC, so forget about anything on Steam.

- forget also about Linux, seriously, don't even ask. It doesn't exist any significant Adobe software CC, that is supported under any Linux distro. They have the money and the resource to do it in years, if it's not happening it's because linux userbase doesn't worth enough money, so they simply don't care. Again there is absolutely no reason for this to be any different just because is Substance.

- what Allegorithmic says from now on means nothing, they do what Adobe says. See the new logo on top right of this page? It says: Allegorithmic - An Adobe Company. This is not a merge or an equal deal, Adobe owns Allegorithmic, the resources, the know-how, the people and everything else.

- forget about your UDIM seamless paint or any significant updates for quite some time: all the resources will be dedicated to incorporate the software in the Adobe CC Suite for a quick transition. And after that, well, everybody knows how update works with Adobe, so don't hold your breath.

- even though we can buy perpetual right now, it's not sure what will happen, they can change the license tos whenever they want in the future.

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The level of naivety in this guys it's something I'd expect from a 15yo, it's incredible they run a company for 15 years.

Here's a quick recap for the lazy of what it's sure so far:

- perpetual license will be gone IN NO TIME, since, as stated by Adobe in their blog, they are already working on incorporating Substance in CC. This is no speculation, it's already happening, we are talking about months. Steam will follow, there is absolutely no reason to think Adobe will behave different just because is Substance (see Mixamo/Fuse). Everything is tied to CC, so forget about anything on Steam.

- forget also about Linux, seriously, don't even ask. It doesn't exist any significant Adobe software CC, that is supported under any Linux distro. They have the money and the resource to do it in years, if it's not happening it's because linux userbase doesn't worth enough money, so they simply don't care. Again there is absolutely no reason for this to be any different just because is Substance.

- what Allegorithmic says from now on means nothing, they do what Adobe says. See the new logo on top right of this page? It says: Allegorithmic - An Adobe Company. This is not a merge or an equal deal, Adobe owns Allegorithmic, the resources, the know-how, the people and everything else.

- forget about your UDIM seamless paint or any significant updates for quite some time: all the resources will be dedicated to incorporate the software in the Adobe CC Suite for a quick transition. And after that, well, everybody knows how update works with Adobe, so don't hold your breath.

You're welcome, and good luck

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A word of warning, be careful with perpetual license. At the end of the day you're purchasing perpetual access to Substance in an agreement with Allegorithmic and when they cease to be Allegorithmic then your license granter no longer exists and that license is invalid. They will just turn off the current licensing servers.

The same happened with InstaLOD. They sold licenses for UE4 integrations and when they decided to rebrand the company all those licenses just died overnight and don't function anymore.
That will not happen, we're not savages :)

It will, and since they are already working on CC integration, as stated in the blog. I would not put ANY hope for a perpetual at this point.

Adobe killed Lightroom standalone just one year ago, as easy as Thanos would do for half the universe.
There was absolutely no need for that, considering that Lightroom it's also an archive where ones put ALL the picture in it.

Pardon me Jeremie, but I guess it's not you that will decide whether the perpetual will be terminated or not. Maybe your new boss at Adobe.

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We obviously cannot say much yet, and today the only thing we can say is that if you trusted us in the past, please trust us, even just a little bit, when we say we feel it's the best chance to go on improving the 3d world. And we will prove you why we did this.

With all the respect: you can't be serious, right?

This is Adobe we are talking about, it's not that they became what they are by being nice to people or their costumers. They care about money and shareholders, period.

How it's even possible someone of you expect the community to trust something like this, it's ridiculous.

As we said, Adobe has been an investor in Allegorithmic for 2 years, and a member of the board. So every major decisions that happened in the last years (all new products, hires, etc.), Adobe was part of it.
If you don't trust that's fine, we will just show you with actions why we did this. In the meantime anyway nothing changes ;)

Ok then, let's start by this, from the Adobe blog:

I know that the addition of Allegorithmic will further that goal and I’m looking forward to sharing more details about how we’re incorporating Allegorithmic’s Substance tools into Creative Cloud over the coming months.

We know already the Substance suite will be incorporated in CC in the next months, if this isn't a bad start I don't know what it is, honestly.

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We obviously cannot say much yet, and today the only thing we can say is that if you trusted us in the past, please trust us, even just a little bit, when we say we feel it's the best chance to go on improving the 3d world. And we will prove you why we did this.

With all the respect: you can't be serious, right?

This is Adobe we are talking about, it's not that they became what they are by being nice to people or their costumers. They care about money and shareholders, period.

How it's even possible someone of you expect the community to trust something like this, it's ridiculous.

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In the meantime you can go fuck yourself while you read about how everyone else feels about it: https://forum.allegorithmic.com/index.php/topic,27494.0.html

I love you.

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We totally understand your fears, and we were expecting such reactions.

You were expecting 90+% of the feedback to be negative, and yet still went ahead?
That's basically saying that you don't care about the feedback or reaction of your customers.

Well, isn't perfectly in line with what Adobe would do?

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We will announce new licensing options later this year, but again, rest assure it will be cheap and have a lot of value, we wouldn't settle for anything else.

I'm sorry I can't reply to everyone personnaly, that a lot of you, but we understand your apprehension and the last thing we want is to deceive you or lose your trust. We will keep on delivering and we will keep on being Indie friendly.


For licensing options do you mean they will replace the current ones or they will be added to the current ones?

Because I'm pretty sure the first thing will see gone forever - and in a very short time - will be the perpetual license.

I agreed to your subscription model because it was fair, with a perpetual option to redeem, and the money goes to you Allegorithmic not Adobe. I'd choose a perpetual over anything, so if it's going to end bad I'll find something else in the competition like others. Start looking around from now on.

Oh, and don't worry about deception and trust, you probably lost both today in one shot. Will see in few months or weeks how bad will be, it's Adobe we are talking about, it's serious enough to raise concern in anyone inside and outside this community.

Who would've thought my first message in the forum would be for something like this. :o

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