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We welcome the criticism, expression of apprehension and feedback, but we will not tolerate profanity, threats or outright trolling, like any other community wouldn't either.

Jeremie, what was the goal of the survey 10 days ago?
To Give Adobe users database?
To monitor how many of your user subscribed to CC already?
Who is the winner?

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Been looking at 3DCoat and Z-Brush. They look interesting but come with a higher pricetag. Especially Z-Brush. Forget about Mari. 2000$?? get outta here.


ZBrush may cost a little more but once you buy its yours for life with upgrades for life. I bought my copy of ZBrush in 2007. Its the same license, more than 10 years of updates, not a penny more was asked of me. But you know what, because they didn't push me to buy or pay for upgrades or do anything underhanded I bought more licenses for my home computer and my work computer, and converted a few coworkers into liking and using ZBrush.

Pixologic is a company that has done everything right in terms of customer focus and customer priority. Other companies should take a good hard look at Pixologic and do what they did. Thats how you become a stable long term and loved company.



3D Coat has a serious problem that should send every artist screaming in the opposite direction. They've terminated and revoke licenses on the personal opinion of the owners that the artists work was obscene (like creating a nude sculpture,  a nude human form, excessive gore, or that felt it belittled or demeaned their religion) without refund.

See their own personal statement here:

https://3dcoat.com/about-us/our-voice/

I personally would never financially support a company that will actively take their personal beliefs into action with how they treat customers and their own personal works of art.

Guys and girls,
I asked Andrew, CEO of Pilgway about this, here is what he says:
"Even if I am Christian, I am for freedom and generally against any censoring and limitations. Many years ago we removed any limitations from using the software. You may tell it to peoples on forums. We will never judge or limit artists. And if something is written in our voice - it is just opinion, nothing more. I am completely for freedom of creativity. We don't judge artists and we expect they will not judge our views."

I think this is fair enough.

The steam EULA still says:
"4.1 The 3D-Coat software should not be used in the production of any pornographic production in correspondence to international laws." 

Which seems weird. I mean do they not care if you break copyright laws with it or other laws, only porn laws?

I am not here to advertise 3DCoat nor to protect them, so the last about this:
Andrew says:
"This line was removed from EULA many years ago. Where have you found it? EULA in 3D-Coat's distributive has only 2 restrictions:
4 RESTRICTIONS
4.1 You may not attempt to extract the source code of the Software by disassemble or any other means.
4.2 You may not use Demo version, Academic version and Educational version of the Software in commercial purposes for your profit.
Any other EULA is not correct. If any other EULA exists anywhere - this is a mistake, we will fix it if we know where is it still placed."

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Been looking at 3DCoat and Z-Brush. They look interesting but come with a higher pricetag. Especially Z-Brush. Forget about Mari. 2000$?? get outta here.


ZBrush may cost a little more but once you buy its yours for life with upgrades for life. I bought my copy of ZBrush in 2007. Its the same license, more than 10 years of updates, not a penny more was asked of me. But you know what, because they didn't push me to buy or pay for upgrades or do anything underhanded I bought more licenses for my home computer and my work computer, and converted a few coworkers into liking and using ZBrush.

Pixologic is a company that has done everything right in terms of customer focus and customer priority. Other companies should take a good hard look at Pixologic and do what they did. Thats how you become a stable long term and loved company.



3D Coat has a serious problem that should send every artist screaming in the opposite direction. They've terminated and revoke licenses on the personal opinion of the owners that the artists work was obscene (like creating a nude sculpture,  a nude human form, excessive gore, or that felt it belittled or demeaned their religion) without refund.

See their own personal statement here:

https://3dcoat.com/about-us/our-voice/

I personally would never financially support a company that will actively take their personal beliefs into action with how they treat customers and their own personal works of art.

Guys and girls,
I asked Andrew, CEO of Pilgway about this, here is what he says:
"Even if I am Christian, I am for freedom and generally against any censoring and limitations. Many years ago we removed any limitations from using the software. You may tell it to peoples on forums. We will never judge or limit artists. And if something is written in our voice - it is just opinion, nothing more. I am completely for freedom of creativity. We don't judge artists and we expect they will not judge our views."

I think this is fair enough.

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Just wanted to chime in as well and help to answer your questions.

Hi Wes, thanks for this thoughtful response. I have a question about the market that the Substance team will be catering towards moving forward.

Allegorithmic, as I've seen it, has always catered towards professionals, whereas Adobe is taking their software in a distinctly different direction — what they call "creativity for all". Their latest investor communications says that "expanding to non-professionals" is a key pillar of their Creative Cloud product strategy. How does the Substance toolset fit into that agenda?



https://www.adobe.com/content/dam/acom/en/investor-relations/pdfs/Adobe-MAX2018-FA-Meeting-Slides.pdf

+1

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Thank you, Wes, for the kind words.
I think you guys don't get the point. It's not about you, it's about Adobe.
About their subscription model. Why should I spend money on toy softwares or even professional ones that I don't need?
I paid for Allegorithmic because I got 2 professional products. That's a deal.
Subscribe to CC and get softwares out of my interest - no way.
So, good bye. I wish the best for you.

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9 days ago:
"Dear Friends,
The Substance team needs you.
We want to keep growing, keep improving, and give you what you need. That's why we prepared a quick survey: only 5 minutes.
Your feedback is essential: it will help us create the best possible experience!
Answer the survey
You can win one year of Substance! (and either keep or gift it)
Thank you,
The Substance Team"

So, who is the winner?
I guess the prize is now a CC subscription...


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This is sad news.
I do not share the general animosity towards adobe or even its subscription model, and I do not claim to be able to see the future of Substance. But I do have a problem with large shareholder owned tech companies buying more and more smaller, potentially competing companies. I think if our politicians were doing their job, acquisitions like this should be prevented by anti-trust laws. Mergers and acquisitions by ever larger monopolies are not ""exciting news" for customers - competition is.

Sadly its the main way todays.
The only alternative is open source.
It's why from time to time i make donation to the blender foundation even if i'm a C4D user.

Thats really nice of you, that you donate to Blender!  8)
But to be honest Maxon is a greedy company as well 3600 dollar for a c4D studio? hahah and you have to pay + for X-particles  :D
My software pack that I use and I PAYED FOR:
- Zbrush (the full pack is actually superior!)
- Houdini Indi (they give you everything: maya lvl rigging, even muscle sim that is missing from maya lt, particle, volume simulations, BEST retopo tool, procedural modeling and since 17.0 polyDraw - kind an ortodox polymodeling way, built in render engine)
- Substance (???all we can do is hoping untill they finaly anonce what can we expect)
- Blender (of course)
- Davinci Resolve (it knows everything! And even the free version has Fusion!)

Now, what I would need from CC? With the above software pack... Dimension? Aero? (pardon me but... ;D)

Lets be honest, there is one cool bundel that Adobe sells: the photo bundle: lightroom + PS + Fuse + Adobe portfolio for 6 euro / month - no doubt, thats a good one!

Try Affinity Photo and Designer for free (and then buy it fot 50$/lifetime each).
Compare layer resizing, zooming, blur filter or Inpainting brush tool vs. Content aware clone tool.
Affinity team has the spirit and soul like Allegorithmic had until now.

I also use and donate Blender without the fear Adobe puts his hands on it ever.
As someone mentioned here, take a look at this:
https://blenderartists.org/t/bats-material-editing-with-layers/1141382



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Really sad to hear that.
Adobe grows, Substance dies.

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