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SubstanceSubstance - Purchases & Licenses - Bye, Bye Allegorithmic
 on: September 30, 2020, 11:17:48 pm 
We all knew it would happen as soon as Allegorithmic sold their soul to ADOBE ... the "RENT to NEVER OWNS" corporate overseer.  It was just a matter of time and dumping all the original management people ... so sad.

Bye, bye.  I do not "Rent" software from anyone. Especially where there are new and, in most cases, FREE alternatives out there.


Bye, bye....

We totally understand your fears, and we were expecting such reactions.
We chose to go and work with Adobe (nobody or nothing forced us to do this) because we truly believe this is the best move to still help rock the 3d world. We obviously talked a lot with Adobe people before doing this move, and we know that it's now our job to show you why we did it. We don't expect you to take any words for granting, this is by our actions that we will show you why we did it :)

In the meantime, you can read the blogpost from our CEO, explaining his feelings about it:

Okay, Nicolas. You've earned you Adobe Troll of the Day Bonus.  You may go home now.

We will announce new licensing options later this year, but again, rest assure it will be cheap and have a lot of value, we wouldn't settle for anything else.

I'm sorry I can't reply to everyone personnaly, that a lot of you, but we understand your apprehension and the last thing we want is to deceive you or lose your trust. We will keep on delivering and we will keep on being Indie friendly.

D'accord, JEREMIE. Vous avez gagné votre "bonus Adobe troll" pour la journée. Vous pouvez rentrer à la maison maintenant...

Let's not miss the point: It's not only about ADOBE ... it's about the SUBSCRIPTION MODEL. Imagine having to pay, nominally, $20.00 per month for EVERY SOFTWARE PACKAGE you now own.  I currently have 58 software's on my computer. The subscription model ... and make no mistake: this is where the software industry is headed ... would cost me $1,160 per MONTH. That's $13,920 per year!!.

The "Casual" user ... you know, the ones that made company's like Allegorithmic successful ... just can't afford that. The decision in the future for users will be "Which software package MUST I have."  Some one will lose ...

Haha Wes is definitely staying in the team, as is everybody else.

As much as this news was a blow, I'm happy to read this. Wes has been a pillar for the community.
Despite the announcements, we will still continue to use the perpetual licenses, but I personally will stop recommending the toolset because no longer can I guarantee others about its benefits in the long run. (except for being groundbreaking software, don't get me wrong)
It's just hard to believe Adobe will go out of their way to ensure licensing compatibility with Allegorithmics' offers.

If by wonder you guys do manage to sort everything out with Adobe and ensure a 1:1 integration, my faith will be restored.
It's like someone said earlier:

Adobe I have to pay.
Allegorithmic I want to pay.

Impatiently awaiting an update on the matter.

  Well said!!! Kudo's.

Haha Wes is definitely staying in the team, as is everybody else.

Maybe the theme for your first Adobe contest can be....what Allegorithmic devs would look like once Assimilation is complete  :P


Haha Wes is definitely staying in the team, as is everybody else.

Get back to us in a year ....

You said:

" I have to disagree 100000% with this. While I hate the decision to join Adobe; up to this point Allegorithmic has been one of the most customer friendly companies. They managed to
   Offer a great one of a kind product
   Keep cost low
   Offered sales and even let you exchange steam licenses for stand online version
   Had low cost upgrade prices"


The correct thing you SHOULD have said:  Allegorithmic USE TO:
   Offer a great one of a kind product
   Keep cost low
   Offered sales and even let you exchange steam licenses for stand online version
   Had low cost upgrade prices

After Adobe, none of those statements will be true.

This is NOT GOOD news for your users. 

Adobe hasn't done anything "creative" in years (except buy up software company's like Allegorithmic) and when they move to the "SUBSCRIPTION ONLY" model, you WILL lose many of your users. We know the creators and management of Substance / Allegorithmic don't care ... the bosses just walked away with MILLIONS of dollars. The rest of the peon's are basically screwed.

I, and many others, do not "rent" software. The subscription business model is only good for the SELLER. The USER ends up paying for the same software over and over and over.

You say licensing won't change ... just look at the ADOBE business model. Perpetual Licenses will be gone in 3 months.

It was good using your software ... I have Painter and was, just today, going to purchase Designer ... not now. One sale lost already...

Bye, bye.

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